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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:14 pm 
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soo. you know how you hear (there are) bills (in congress and the senate) that are mainly about one thing, but have other things thrown in? I don't mean earmarks or anything, I mean like...how there was a bunch of stuff about student loans in the healthcare bill. and, student loans have nothing to do with healthcare in the slightest. to tie in to T...well, non-t or extra-t mandates could be argued against in this way. I'm not sure of the impact (something generic like, consistency, big government, corruption, non-tranparency), but, something besides the standard impacts that are steeped in jargon anyway. something to give a real-congress-y feel. (yes...I said "a real-congress-y feel") that was just a quick thought anyway.

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Not sure what you mean by "conservative", but it's a legitimate and potentially powerful T impact, basically a specific story for the usual "education" impact.

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conservative; antonym of liberal.

not as a story at all, I mean as an impact. something about clarity and politics. nothing to do with education.

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Not sure what you mean by "liberal", and I don't know what type of impact this would be other than education. A debate round is not a congressional debate, so the only link to the impact of transparency in Congress is the way that the debate shapes potential future legislators (that is, how it educates them). Alternatively, you could argue that debate should encourage participants (including the judge and audience) to hold their government accountable. Either way, the only link between the round and Congress is education.

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not so. back to my example of the healthcare bill - student loans has nothing to do with healthcare. soo, whatever impact you can get from something like that (transparency, corruption, etc) could be used the same for non/extra-t mandates..." thought that'd be like a neg k of t, and the aff k's of t are bad enough. huh. oh well.

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The reason why your idea is necessarily an impact on education is because the resolution does not exist in the post-fiat world. What is irrelevant to the debaters' discussion might be relevant in Congress. There are no post-fiat links between topicality and impacts.

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but the resolution does exist in the real world per say. the healthcare bill should have been solely about healthcare. the "resolution" was about healthcare, not student loans.

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heh. someone didn't get the memo.

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hm?

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She was talking about the healthcare bill. Someone (Senate, Congress, President) didn't get the memo that it was supposed to be about healthcare.

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Exactly what Molly said.

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