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 Post subject: Who does British Parli?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:34 pm 
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I'm currently doing BP for the King's College. Anyone else anywhere else?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:17 pm 
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Yep. Did a few tournaments for Grove City--wish we were going to more because it's the best format of debate I've ever done. Are you one of the King's people I met/debated?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:20 pm 
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I agree, it's an amazing format! Did you go to Rochester? I debated a few Grove City people there. My team was King's PS.

Is anyone going to Yale next Saturday by chance?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Is anyone going to Yale next Saturday by chance?

I'll be there. So will a lot of other former NCFCAers: James Compton, Samuel Johnson, Jason Montgomery, and Ben Snodgrass.

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^^nice. I look forward to seeing all of you there.


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I agree, it's an amazing format! Did you go to Rochester? I debated a few Grove City people there. My team was King's PS.

Yeah, I was there. I'm Marc from Grove DM. I don't remember which Kings teams I hit there...

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I think Ben Snodgrass and I will be partnering for the Yale tournament. w00t!

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The tournament has been pretty awesome so far. Here's how Ben's and my rounds went:

Round #1

Motion: This house believes that those who do not report insider trading should be punished as if they had committed insider trading themselves (not exact wording).

Position: Opening Government.

Placing: 3rd.

Round #2

Motion: This house believes that courts should be able to issue assassination warrants (not exact wording again).

Position: Closing Government.

Placing: 4th.

Round #3

Motion: This house would prohibit individuals who have been full-time employees of political parties or the government from working in the lobbying industry and vice versa.

Position: Closing Opposition (FINALLY!)

Placing: 1st (w00t!)

Note: We debated with Jason Montgomery (and his partner) and John Sailor (and his partner). It was pretty epic.

Round #4

Motion: This house believes that that universities should disclose to admitted students, upon their request, whether or not they would have been admitted absent affirmative action.

Position: Opening Opposition.

Placing: 3rd.

Note: Most epic motion ever. We did well, but put too many points in the DLO speech, so that's why we got third. But this was definitely my favorite round.

Round #5

Motion: Where someone's mental health condition renders them unfit to stand trial, this house would forcibly treat them to allow them to stand trial.

Position: Closing Opposition.

Placing: Not sure yet.

Note: This was a tough round. Fun, but tough.

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What's the difference between British and (American? Standard?) other parli?

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^BP is legit.

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Many differences, the most important of which are:

- American parli has six speeches by two teams, whereas BP has eight speeches by four teams.
- American parli has a winning team and a losing team, whereas teams are ranked first through fourth in BP.
- National circuit American parli's structure is more rigid and its debate theory more complex than that of BP.

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Halogen wrote:
- National circuit American parli's structure is more rigid and its debate theory more complex than that of BP.


There's also a difference between the two American parli leagues: NPDA is (from what I hear) more theory oriented, while APDA is not. APDA tends to be more east coast, while NPDA tends to be more middle/west coast (there are exceptions: Stanford does APDA, Grove City does NPDA).

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That is not the only exception in the east (not that Grove is anywhere near the coast). We debate with schools from the area in NPDA. Although we're going to be moving more toward BP, because it is AWESOME.

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Halogen wrote:
Many differences, the most important of which are:

- American parli has six speeches by two teams, whereas BP has eight speeches by four teams.
- American parli has a winning team and a losing team, whereas teams are ranked first through fourth in BP.
- National circuit American parli's structure is more rigid and its debate theory more complex than that of BP.

BP sounds really cool actually, do the four teams present four different positions, or do two teams defend one motion, and the other two attack the motion?

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Gold Water's Ghost wrote:
two teams defend one motion, and the other two attack the motion

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Halogen wrote:
two teams defend one motion, and the other two attack the motion

That makes more sense, I don't see how the other way could really work practically speaking.

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I've heard it explained like this: in real parliament, you often have two very different parties (Cato and Greenpeace) supporting the same thing (abolishing ethanol subsidies) for different reasons. I think that's how BP is supposed to work.

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andrewmin wrote:
I've heard it explained like this: in real parliament, you often have two very different parties (Cato and Greenpeace) supporting the same thing (abolishing ethanol subsidies) for different reasons. I think that's how BP is supposed to work.

Oh my gosh, that sounds completely and totally amazing :D

I'm going to go to a college that does British Parli if at all possible.

Practically speaking, do the two teams working together for the round get together before hand and work out which aspect of their side each will emphasize, or how does that work?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:50 pm 
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Practically speaking, do the two teams working together for the round get together before hand and work out which aspect of their side each will emphasize, or how does that work?

Each team preps separately. So as second prop/gov (affirmative), for example, you wouldn't know for sure until the first speech how first prop/gov will frame the round, or what arguments they'll use.

It's a really great form of debate. I like it a lot better than American parli.

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I'm going to go to a college that does British Parli if at all possible.


If your college competes at Worlds, you'll do BP.

Give American a try too, though -- the APDA format really appeals to me (most of the above are competing in the NPDA version of American parli, not the APDA, which again is somewhat stylistically different).

All of the formats have their own strengths and weaknesses, though.

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