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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:07 am 
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A kritik begins with a framework to establish it as a reason to vote neg. A theory shell begins with an interpretation of a theoretical requirement aff must meet to win. So why not begin topicality with a constraint to the judge's framework and reasons to judge according to that constraint? Topicality really only has two arguments: a two-part framework (the interpretation with its standards and "vote neg if they're non-topical" with its benefits), and aff's violation of that framework.

Four points:

A. What the resolution means

B. Why aff doesn't uphold the resolution if it means what neg says it means

C. Why the resolution means what neg says it means
... standards

D. [vote neg if aff doesn't uphold the resolution]
... voters

Three points:

A. Vote neg if aff doesn't uphold the resolution
... benefits if the judge does this

B. Use our definition of the resolution
... benefits if the judge does this

C. Aff does not uphold the resolution as we define it
... why

Four point example:

A. An actor's revenue generation policy defines an increase in the actor's net worth or the transformation of the actor's assets into purchasing power.

B. Asset forfeiture defines an increase in a local police department's net worth. Even after abolishing it, the USFG's policy remains the same: it claims some of the net worth represented by forfeited assets, without respect to what those assets are.

C. Use our interpretation:
1. It is perfectly precise. You can use propositional logic to prove by our definition that something is or isn't topical, whereas you can only use cause and effects to convince yourself that, by their definition, something is or isn't topical.

2. It is more limiting. The fewer cases you let yourself vote for, the fairer and more educational debate becomes.

D. Voters [vote neg if they are non-topical]:
1. Don't let any arguments distract you from their non-topicality (a.k.a. a priori).

2. If you vote aff, stating that non-topicality is okay, you justify unfair cases that we have no way of predicting, defeating one of debates' purposes: competition. There's no competition if everyone goes 3-3.

3. If you vote aff, stating that non-topicality is okay, you justify uneducational debate in which we have no incentive to research because everything we come up with will be useless, leading to 100% theory debates. Education is one of debates' purposes.

Three point example:

A. Vote negative if affirming their plan doesn't affirm the resolution.
because:
1. Otherwise, you justify unfair cases that we have no way of predicting, defeating one of debates' purposes: competition. There's no competition if everyone goes 3-3.

2. Otherwise, you justify uneducational debate in which we have no incentive to research because everything we come up with will be useless, leading to 100% theory debates. Education is one of debates' purposes.

B. Assume revenue generation means: an actor's revenue generation policy defines an increase in the actor's net worth or the transformation of the actor's assets into purchasing power.
because:
1. It is perfectly precise. You can use propositional logic to prove by our definition that a plan does or doesn't accomplish the resolution, whereas you can only use cause and effects to convince yourself that, by their definition, a plan does or doesn't accomplish the resolution.

2. It is more limiting. The fewer cases you let yourself vote for, the fairer and more educational debate becomes.

C. Affirming their plan does not affirm the resolution as you interpret it.
because:
Asset forfeiture defines an increase in a local police department's net worth. Even after abolishing it, the USFG's policy remains the same: it claims some of the net worth represented by forfeited assets, without respect to what those assets are.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:50 pm 
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I actually have been thinking a lot about that this week. A question one of my students asked in debate class on Monday has me thinking about a slightly different way to frame topicality. I should have a video up on the vlog by the end of tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:43 pm 
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I often teach that K's, theory arguments, and topicality ALL share this format.

T is basically a common K.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:48 pm 
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T is a procedural

A K is different from procedural in structure only. It is practically a Kritick. The interpretation is actually the framework. The violation is the thesis, the standards are the implications and the voters are the Alt and Solvency.

The main advantage to using the procedural over K structure is time. People seem to think you can be more brief if you run it as a procedural.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:28 pm 
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@crazydebater you just basically called moot a newfriend

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