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VoxAngeli

Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 22 Location: somewhere in the clouds
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: Nobody Understands Me! |
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...It's for a good reason I suppose.
The fact of the matter is I talk fast. Really fast. Not even my partner understands me sometimes.
I suppose it's because I've gotten better at flowing and I have a greater understanding of NATO. There's so much to say, and very little time to say it. Often I will find myself with ten seconds left and two disadvantages to bring up....
It's possible I may kill the other team on content, but since the judge can't follow me anyway, it's as if I never said anything at all.
Anyone have any ideas for slowing down? _________________ ~***ChArLi*~*MiLls***~ |
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djcarter

Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 864 Location: San Antonio, Tx
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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You are probably not talking as fast as you think.
Check out CEDA/NDT on google video and you'll see what fast really is.
However you are probably talking to fast for this league, it's funny I did a quick practice exercise with my daughter where I played the other team and when I was done she was just staring at me like I was a freak of nature becasue I had slipped into "debate mode" from my high school days.
The only way to fix speeding is practice. Maybe have your Mom read a 1AC then have you respond, if your Mom can't follow you, its too fast.
Granted if you have an ex-debater for a judge you might be able to speed up but you have to win those rounds when the "homeschool mom" is your judge.
THE BIG THING: Don't speed through your arguements if you feel you have to speed to get through everything speed through your evidence but when you are done reading the card slow down explain how this card applies to the case, transition to your next arguement and then introduce your next card and speed away. Also emphasize and slow down during the part in the card that directly makes your point.
Good Luck because ultimately speed is not rewarded in this league, it's all about communication and that means an average person must be able to understand what you are saying and more importantly the point you are making. _________________ Coach Carter
Information about TEXAS DEBATE CAMP avialable at www.coachcarterdebate.org
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The_Sheriff Sole Survivor of HSD

Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1269 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like you are not having a problem of talking too fast as much as you are trying to bring up too many points in one speech.
Here is an exercise you can try in a practice round (or a real round if you want ). Get evidence for five arguments. No more than five...and maybe four if they are complicated. That is the only evidence and those are the only arguments that you bring up to the podium and that you make in your speech.
If you finish before eight minutes, just stop and sit down. The goal here is to learn to pace yourself for just those five arguments.
If you are running them right, you should be doing full four-point refutation. You want to signpost what argument you are addressing, give your response, give your support (evidence), and weigh (impact) it in the round.
If you limit yourself to four or five developed arguments you will probably find that you do not have to speed through them so quickly.
You can have a lot of good points, and a lot to say, but the judge will usually only gravitate towards one or two main issues. By choosing your five best arguments and spending time on those, you invest your time more effectively than making 10-15 arguments and spending 30 seconds on each.
And remember, you are not trying to beat the other team on paper, you are trying to convince the judge. Arguments on the flow are only arguments on paper. It is not what you tell them, but what they hear. It sounds like you already recognize that you need to slow down. My best advice is to focus on fewer arguments to slow down the speed you talk (because you do not feel rushed to make those two more disadvantages ). _________________ ~Gregory Escobar
SIC SEMPER TYRANNVS - Thus Always to Tyrants - Proud Member of the "Virginia is the Greatest State" club |
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craigthephilosopher

Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 249 Location: Doing college applications. Come over and you too can get all warm and fuzzy!
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djcarter

Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 864 Location: San Antonio, Tx
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I second Greg, work on having fewer well developed arguements.
You spoke about disads, if all your DAs have link, brink and impact (at a minimum) you can't get through more than 4 or 5 and maybe a couple solvency points and you are done. _________________ Coach Carter
Information about TEXAS DEBATE CAMP avialable at www.coachcarterdebate.org
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Wild Flower
Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 2261 Location: Blessed with a roof over my head.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm always getting told that I talk to fast as well. Usually in my aff rounds when I'm the 1A. How am I supposed to slow down my 1AR??
I practice reading my 1AC so that I can speak clearly, and try to slow down to empisize the important points, but when it's a lay judge judging, my speed always ends up as a ballot comment.
I'm with you VoxAngeli, even if I don't have any pointers! _________________ Congrats to Marla!
I'll be back as soon as I have time in the midst of debate camp. But, this is going to be deleted Monday, so why do you care?
As far as SS goes, I'm the only normal one around. |
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MadameMe alive and well

Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 1861
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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make sure that you're enunciating well. You can get away with going alot faster if your speedy gonzales words can be comprehended, whereas if you're talking like your mouth is full of cotton, it's going to be hard to understand you even if you talk slow. _________________ -Jenna-
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History Detective Neat and Nice

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Mumbler! Seriously, I cannot understand a single word you're saying.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| djcarter wrote: | I second Greg, work on having fewer well developed arguements.
You spoke about disads, if all your DAs have link, brink and impact (at a minimum) you can't get through more than 4 or 5 and maybe a couple solvency points and you are done. |
Um... Coach Carter? I do that and have gotten through (at max) 13 das and 4 solvency arguments in my 2NC. I've never done that many arguments since. I try to keep it under 10 now. Yes, I know I need to slow way down, too. _________________ [ e d e n ]
"If you spend word for word with me, I shall make your wit bankrupt." -- William Shakespeare
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Wild Doogy Plumm

Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 1329 Location: America's Scotland
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. Now you're on my don't want to hit list. _________________ ~Doogy~
Most democrats are like the French. Scared of war. |
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History Detective Neat and Nice

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Mumbler! Seriously, I cannot understand a single word you're saying.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Wild Doogy Plumm wrote: | | Ok. Now you're on my don't want to hit list. |
*laughs* My goal at RMC is to make that an argument a minute, or every minute and a half. *sighs* I really do need to slow down... sometimes, my own partner can't flow me. _________________ [ e d e n ]
"If you spend word for word with me, I shall make your wit bankrupt." -- William Shakespeare
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Wraith Leader I'm a perf-con

Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 444 Location: University of Alabama
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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The problem with speaking quickly, as Jenna mentioned, is usually a problem with being mushmouthed. Don't worry as much about slowing down as speaking clearly. Read cards (or random excerpts from a book) as fast as you can with a pen in your mouth, and keep doing it until you're comprehensible. Then slow down if you have to; you'll be much clearer and able to communicate understandably at a much higher rate than you did before. _________________ -Chris |
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Irish Man He's never seen Star Wars. Poor guy.

Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 4686 Location: "I'm being repressed! I'm being repressed!"
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Yes. That ^ is the best way to learn to speak clearly. Do it in the bathroom between rounds, even. It will greatly help.  _________________ Peace out,
Shaun R. Connell
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living_for_my_Lord

Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 251 Location: wherever I am.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Reading evidence with a pen in your mouth works really well - I did that when I first started debating, and it helped a lot! Have you ever sung in a choir? All those diction exercises really work - "lips, teeth, tip of the tongue, " "mommy made me mash my m&ms," all that good stuff. Rather than moving your whole mouth, try using your tongue more. That's what worked for me.
Word economy can sometimes help, though I'm not very good at it. _________________ Laura
"Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken"
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Maverick

Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1253 Location: Exit light, enter night, take my hand, we're off to never never land.
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ...It's for a good reason I suppose. | Really depends on the clarity of the points. Speed is effective if it's understable/flowable
| Quote: | | The fact of the matter is I talk fast. Really fast. Not even my partner understands me sometimes. | Video Tape yourself, wait a week.. watch it and try to flow your own speeches. Seeing from a third person view really helps with things like this. (Mannerism, style, movement)
| Quote: | | I suppose it's because I've gotten better at flowing and I have a greater understanding of NATO. There's so much to say, and very little time to say it. Often I will find myself with ten seconds left and two disadvantages to bring up.... | Instead a large amount of Small arguments, use your prep-time to make structured arguments.
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This is around my normal 2NC
On Friday (CLASH Qualifer) we hit an Abolish Case. In my 2NC i had.
3 Significance Point
3 Solvency Points
4 Disadvantages (3 Impacts for each one, structured w/ some evidence)
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That is about all i will allow myself to do. If i presented anymore it'd be an unintelligible hard to flow mess. _________________ "There are only Ten types of people in this world, those who understand Binary, and those who don't." |
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CoachJen
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Columbia, SC
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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History Detective-
if your aim is a minute an argument, then that gives you 8 arguments, not 13. spend more time developing better positions instead of blasting through bad or medicore or repititive ones. i always worried about the guys at the tourney with one briefcase because if they weren't complete slackers, whatever they had in there was good. don't confuse quantity with quality. and 1.5 minutes is a long time for one argument unless is a confusion, T, or other Pre-Fiat issue.
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Wordsmith

Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 246 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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WOW, I thought some of my siblings spoke fast.  _________________ "If your knees aren't green by the end of the day, you ought to seriously re-examine your life." Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbs)
"The world isn't fair, Calvin."
"I know Dad, but why isn't it ever unfair in my favour?" |
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Wild Flower
Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 2261 Location: Blessed with a roof over my head.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I showed that link to my brother...
It took a real life NCFCA tournament to convince him that I don't talk like that when I'm debating! _________________ Congrats to Marla!
I'll be back as soon as I have time in the midst of debate camp. But, this is going to be deleted Monday, so why do you care?
As far as SS goes, I'm the only normal one around. |
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JosiahH

Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 457 Location: Upstate New York
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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How do the judges understand what everyone's saying? _________________ Mindbender: | Quote: | *grumbles* Such is the price of notoriety, that everyone preempts you.
I'll be off sticking a fork down the toaster if anyone needs me. | The_OSURO: | Quote: | You can also go for jugguling chainsaws during a solar eclipse.
Sorry, I think I'm losing it. |
Oh, and to all of you who are dying to know; Yes, I do type like I DDR. |
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